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Welcome to The Change Room with Rod & Lesley where we talk about how people experience and navigate through change.
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Nov 4, 2021
Nov 4, 2021
32 min
In this episode, Rod and Lesley don't even bother remarking 'can you believe we have had two COVID tainted halloweens?'. Yes, there is nothing scarier to confront than Covid once again. Last year, they were wound up about different approaches to managing the pandemic, and this year, ...well, let's just say they are still wound-up. Rod and Lesley had best intentions of talking about the adjustment we are going through as things start 'opening up', but it ended up being a big share fest of observations relating to what it is like to interact in public again.

Oct 27, 2021
Oct 27, 2021
30 min
In this episode, Rod and Lesley share inspiration from a thought leader they both love - Seth Godin. They have gushed over Seth before, and his idea this time was "what will you leave behind". Seth's advice falls into the camp of, meaningful and ambiguous enough that you can read into what you want. Queue the discussion. Listen to the episode to hear thoughts on how you have to let go of things to change. Even things you like and enjoyed in moments of your life, but might need to let go.

Oct 20, 2021
Oct 20, 2021
25 min
In this episode, Rod and Lesley propose a new rule to live by - the campsite rule. In a nutshell, the campsite rule that Lesley knows is from relationship advice podcaster/blogger Dan Savage. Leave your romantic partners better or the same when you leave them as they were when you found them. Inspired by what you would think is a rule about how to care for a campsite (though, no campsite we googled had this rule). The discussion explores the brilliance of the campsite rule, how it forces you to think more of the other person in your personal and work relationships, and how it might just be better than the golden rule (do one to others as you would have done to yourself).

Oct 4, 2021
Oct 4, 2021
39 min
In this episode, Rod and Lesley invite Paul Haigh back for a part 2 interview to discuss change in the context of truth and reconciliation in Canada. Or as Paul suggested, we think of reconcili-action. Another engaging and educating discussion to better understand the indigenous experience, making up for our ignorance, and hopefully being enlightening for our listeners too. There are many reference links to share. • Call to action 82 - Building a monument to honour residential school survivors. Learn more here https://irsslegacy.com/about/ • Learn and change through art - several artists were mentioned ◦ CBC Documentary - We Know the Truth: Stories to Inspire Reconciliation - https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/indigenous-people-flip-the-conversation-on-reconciliation-in-new-documentary-1.6193545 ◦ Kent Monkman - https://www.kentmonkman.com ◦ Lee Maracle - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Maracle ◦ Thomas King - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_King_(novelist) ◦ Jesse Wente - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Wente

Oct 1, 2021
Oct 1, 2021
32 min
In this episode, Rod and Lesley talk about Truth and Reconciliation and spend their time to learn more about the 94 calls to action. They share the humility of ignorance and touch on a few of the calls to action. Take the time to explore them yourselves, and be ready to be shocked about how much you didn't know.
Check out this site to help your learning - https://nctr.ca/records/reports/

Sep 26, 2021

Aug 7, 2021
Aug 7, 2021
22 min
In this episode, Rod and Lesley reflect on their first season of 'The Change Room' and look forward to season 2. We'd love to hear your suggestions around what we are doing to do more of next year. You'll have to listen to learn more.

Jul 29, 2021
Jul 29, 2021
28 min
In this episode, Rod champions the role of rational argument, striking back after last episode where the elephant was getting all the attention versus the rider. Rod deftly brings up solid facts to show how the rational approach is how minds can be changed. Lesley, calmly champions the power of emotions to really get someone behind an idea. The debate plays out...who will win. You must listen to find out.

Jul 16, 2021
Jul 16, 2021
26 min
In this episode, Rod and Lesley explore the concept of the elephant and the rider that was popularized by Chip and Dan Heath and developed by Jonathan Haigt. The Elephant is your emotions, and the rider is your logic brain that tries to get the big elephant of emotions. Good luck with that. As always, they shine different light on concepts and come up with an important new interpretation - it is not about trying to keep the rider in total control, it is about finding the balance for both be part of the whole. References made to Chip and Dan Heath, the Elephant and the Rider concept, and the podcast Two Psychologists Four Beers

Jul 7, 2021
Jul 7, 2021
31 min
It is a long weekend and we are taking the weekend. This time, not celebrating Canada Day as much as reflecting more on Indigenous History. This episode is a replay of Episode 19 - The 5% Better rule for making change happen In this episode, Rod and Lesley build on the conversation last week about Nathaniel Branden's Six Pillars of Self-Esteem. As part of his work, Nathaniel Branden pioneered a technique to get people to think in baby steps. Rod puts Lesley on the spot with questions on how she can make her life 5% better. From 5% improvements, Rod shares another book's idea of making change through tiny steps. BJ Fogg's book 'Tiny Habits' gets some love for the great ideas on how to Lesley out of the house and walking three times a week.
